We have seen discussion from fedgov about expanding the national monument system and intense opposition to it. This construct is operative right now in Harney County, OR. It appears that fedgov and elites are using this construct to even withdraw more land from private ownership. It also appears that they are subverting and co-opting sportsmen, legislators, and businessmen to encourage and support the system.
I received a letter from Sen. Martin Heinrich in New Mexico. Heinrich is a poseur and statist associated with bummer and the green collectivist movement.
January 20, 2016
Over the weekend I was honored to join local sportsmen and community leaders in welcoming hunters and anglers from across the nation to Las Cruces to learn about and visit Organ Mountains-Desert Peaks National Monument. I was also proud to receive the Doña Ana County Associated Sportsmen’s Conservationist of the Year award. I hope you can take the time to read the article below from the Las Cruces Sun-News on my visit.
In the year and a half since the designation of Organ Mountains-Desert Peaks, Las Cruces business owners have seen a boost to local tourism and positive impacts on their businesses. A coalition of national sportsmen’s organizations recently highlighted both Organ Mountains-Desert Peaks and Rio Grande del Norte National Monument as model case studies for developing national monument proposals that generate strong support from hunters and anglers and from local communities and stakeholders.
I will continue fighting to protect our public lands for future generations of New Mexicans and Americans to enjoy.
LAS CRUCES — The conversation was rich at a breakfast early Saturday morning in a small conference room at Hotel Encanto. Sen. Martin Heinrich, wearing a camouflage vest and blue jeans, addressed a dozen sportsmen — hardcore hunters and anglers from as far away as Oregon to learn about Organ Mountains-Desert Peaks National Monument.
Attendees included representatives from Backcountry Hunters and Anglers, the Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership and Trout Unlimited. The group will spend three days in Las Cruces, Friday through Sunday, exploring OMDP and hunting. They have picked up the mantle of political activism, intent on conserving public lands and protecting the rights of hunters and fishermen to access them.
“We are trying to protect the outdoor heritage that we all enjoy,” said Land Tawney, president and chief executive officer of Backcountry Hunters and Anglers. “We want to protect the opportunity to find adventure in the great outdoors, to be able to hunt that way, and to ensure that the experiences that I’ve been able to enjoy are available to future generations.”
Heinrich, an avid outdoorsman, was presented with the Conservationist of the Year award Friday night by the Doña Ana County Associated Sportsmen. He said he intends to continue his efforts to protect and improve access to public lands for hunters and fishermen.
“We have, over time, lost access to a lot of public lands, where roads that used to be open get gated,” Heinrich told the Sun-News Saturday. “We have lost legal ways to get into a lot of land that belongs to the American people. So I am working on something called the HUNT Act, which is in the Sportsmen’s Bill, to really prioritize access within the public land agencies like the BLM.”
Heinrich said he would also push to focus Land and Water Conservation Fund dollars on buying easements to trails and roads at fair market value, to provide greater access to landlocked public lands.
“OMDP is actually a great story, from an access point of view,” Heinrich said. “It has really great access, and we just need to keep that in place. We have not had a lot of conflicts over access issues.”
Tawney said it is critical that federally-managed lands remain open as multiple use lands.
“The federal government, or government agencies, manage it for us — that’s our land,” Tawney said. “When that land is managed for multiple use, you can have grazing, mineral development, but also hunting and fishing, which plays a vital role.”
Corey Fisher, from Missoula, Montana, is the energy field coordinator for Trout Unlimited. Fisher said OMDP is a model for the way national monument designations should be approached.
“It’s such a good model for how to bring local stakeholders and interests together to help create a vision for a landscape that everyone cares about,” Fisher said. “We feel it’s a model that can be transferred and applied to other places in the West.”
Fisher said when monuments are designated through the work of coalitions, it creates a greater permanence.
“Without having diverse stakeholders come together and identify common values that want to be preserved for the future, nobody’s values are going to be preserved,” Fisher said.
The conference continues Sunday, when Heinrich is expected to join the group for quail hunting at the monument.
REPLY FROM BOB BOWEN, NEW MEXICO Constitution Party
I received that same letter from Heinrich and when I saw the reference to the Organ Mountains, I deleted the email without reading it. The Obummer simply wrote an executive order to place that area inside the National Monument system. I believe it displaced 9 families, but I can’t remember how many for certain.
Los Lunas, New Mexico
RE: Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 9:02:41 AM Subject: Organ Peaks National Monument
Quintus Dias. After watching the proceedings at the community meeting so-called in Burns, Oregon, on 01-19-2016 at the Harney Co. High School it was obvious to me that it was staged and manipulated to deny the people of Oregon and the United States an opportunity to hear dispassionately the issues at hand.
The mafia clique in Harney County did not disappoint. The issues surrounding the Hammonds, who are widely believed to have been railroaded into prison, the extinguishment of ranching as a way of life, the loss of so many jobs, the preponderance of the BLM, and government in the lives of Harney County residents and how Harney County became the poorest county in Oregon, when it was formerly the richest residents was neglected or lost in a new version of the Kansas City shuffle.
Instead, we heard about the fear of kids in the schools, the closing of schools, the presence of unruly and suspicious outsiders raising hell, and the crime scene activities of unrestrained insurgents at the refuge. We heard about invaders. We heard calls for the cops to stop being so nice to outsiders and the necessity to kick ass. We heard of elephants poking their long noses into Harney County. The elephant rested on Aamon Bundy and company. BUT there was only a few lonely voices that brought up Susie Hammond, her family and the rights of other people, who the mafia clique running Harney County have in the past, or who are presently abusing. Sad.
Mafia? Yeah, mafia. The mafia has evolved to be the various governments in the United States. We have a mafia government at large and must recognize that and deal with it.
Was the effort by the protesters to engage in dialogue in vain? No. The protesters in Harney County and the American people must consider the way of Jesus and his example. Jesus talked to any and all along his journey. It was a terribly hard road. We are seeing the same road in search of truth unfold before us.
The meeting presented the American people with a first-hand view of the very real evil forces now loose among the American polity and in the long run, that may be a positive thing in prompting people to understand that something is very wrong in America.
The population of Harney Co, Oregon is about 7500 persons. Did the people at the meeting really represent Harney County? No. We saw a lot of people concerned about the environment, the Malheur refuge and the presence of outsiders stirring up shit.
Judge Crasty, by his own admission says his main focus is forming partnerships with ecological organizations to create jobs for Harney Co. Uh, judge how does forming alliances with ecological organizations bent on collectivizing the land and driving farmers and rancher off the land benefit Harney County? Kindly explain that.
Moreover, when police throw out dissenters or those who voice opposing views, what does this tell you? When you have hecklers present preventing free expression, what does this tell you? When Judge Grasty has his pre-selected responders step up to the podium with obvious canned speeches, what does that tell you? When the Judge interposes himself between attendees only allowing certain subjects to be discussed, what does this tell you?
Well, it tells me that Boss Tweed is alive and well in rural America and is operating just like he did in New York City–taking bribes, having his political opponents crushed and the promise of jobs, benefits, and public notoriety overriding civil liberties and justice.
Heil, Boss Tweed. Boss Tweed? Yeah, big boss Tweed and the political machine is alive and well in Burns, Oregon. Judge Grasty has learned his lessons well.
Oh, let me be a real asshole and tell you that the New York Police Department really got its professional start under Boss Tweed, who hired for the most part, Irish (the Dead Rabbits, the Five Points Gang, the Plug Uglies, the Whyos, and so on) and other ethnic gangs to police New York City. Gangstas as coppers? Yeah, there you have it. In the long run, cops who act as thugs are nothing more than street gangsters dressed in blue.
From Cyrellys to the People – Harney County Meeting Clarification; it IS a National Problem.
Cyrellys Geibhendach. I have now viewed several versions of the video concerning the meeting last night in Harney Co Burns OR regarding the Ammon Bundy group and the Hammonds situation, land grabs and corruption. It seems to me, as a concerned researcher and frequent radio guest, that the evidence of the national scope of the land grabbing is not reaching the citizens on the ground living in Harney Co and Burns. While I seen some heartfelt concern from the community for the welfare of their community, the whole came across as extreme PROVINCIALISM. Provincialism is a noun, defined as:
Provincialism is the state of having concern for purely local matters, or having a narrow outlook.
example of provincialism is being concerned with only one’s town, as
opposed to surrounding communities or other countries as well.
Read more at http://www.yourdictionary.com/…
This is very concerning because the problem here IS a national one; harney county is not the only county in America experiencing the victimization involving the siphoning of land to securitize the NATIONAL DEBT to our creditors while lining the pockets of the corrupt officials involved.
(SEE RESEARCH IMAGES AT BOTTOM OF PAGE – ADDITIONAL COPIES AS PDFS LOADED TO MANTICORE MEDIA FILE)
While I don’t agree with what Ammon did, I do recognize his actions have finally broken the log-jam on awareness about the use of Agenda 21 to clear lands in the west and compensate for what we’ve learned is a failure of the federal government to pay creditors like China. China who has been caught openly talking about COLONIZING the western United States lands that two years ago they had representatives quietly inspecting! That’s not stirring the pot. It commonly known fact in the Liberty Community which the provincial communities of America who just desire ‘normalcy’ and all the bias that goes with it, apparently DON’T KNOW.
Ignorance is one of the most solvable problems in all of life and yet it is our greatest nemesis in this paradigm – a problem we have not yet mastered on the local level. I ask, do we still have time to solve this problem and apply solutions that don’t involve violence against a eugenic culture that also openly talks about population reduction and population stabilization? I personally do not know. Communities like Burns Or are many. They simply have never been exposed to the proof and its supporting information. They have not been exposed to the patterns of the clandestine activities to reform American culture, sentiments, and understanding. They barely understand that there is something inherently wrong with Common Core.
I know what many in the liberty community are thinking right now after this meeting last night in Burns OR. It is why should we continue to stand against this tyranny and be the buffer of the provincialism afflicting the roots of America. We know this provincialism has been carefully fostered to keep everyone asleep and oblivious to the scope of what has been going on in their name in the shadows. The people in the liberty community are probably asking themselves why should we continue to put our lives and futures on the line on the behalf of a nation that doesn’t care about their nation’s survival as a Constitutional Republic. Who patently don’t self-educate and who routinely fall for emotional intrusions to the perceptions designed to keep them asleep? Why should we defend them still?
The answer to that is if we don’t, no one will. And without EVERY American, no one left behind, we no longer have a nation. We no longer have our due diligence. We no longer have a mutual collective soul. We become balkinized like Europe who cannot defend their nations from an obvious invasion from the Middle East. Now if we can’t do this, we will not be able to defend ourselves from that SAME invasion that is being brought here by our national leaders in DC. And we will not be able to defend ourselves from the depopulation advocates in high places in government, academia, medicine, and media. It starts here folks.
We must continue to say to the tyranny, “YOU SHALL NOT PASS!”
Someone asked me this morning, “do you see the size of the can holding the worms of the paradigm?”
I said “yes, yes I do. IT runs across the whole nation and around the planet beyond — clear to the top of every structure of governance, this NWO reformation. This is a national issue as I said this land issue in Harney is a channel through the paradigm and a place where the nation as a whole can hit home – respond effectively against the NWO. There is so little opportunity left and I am VERY concerned about how the Liberty Community and national militias are going to take this lack of understanding in Harney Co. Peole believe what they see and if they don’t see the other side or HEAR it loud and clear, they believe what there is, even if it is not truth.”
Folks we have a chance to carry this break in the log-jam. However we’re on the verge of losing that break because people are either too busy or fear to be televised or don’t think they can or have an obligation to stand up.
So few realize this is a NATIONAL ISSUE. This siphoning of lands is happening EVERYWHERE in the nation! And the debt and the destruction of the nation from within is NOT going to go away if we allow ourselves to just “get on with life”. In fact, just ‘getting on with your lives,” is the fastest way to affirm those behind the scenes in high places of power to take what little you still possess, hand it off to foreign players, and finish the set up to depopulation.
You say it can’t happen here. I’m telling all of you whether you are liberty community or some other person, that it IS HAPPENING HERE. And if you allow this deconstruction of our nation to continue don’t you DARE EVER AGAIN criticize the GERMANS or the RUSSIANS for standing passively by while their nations were taken to their knees and so many were loaded onto trains to the camps.
The Impact of Global Political Awakening, Brzezinski, Zbigniew
Phoenix Program (Vietnam)
“Agenda for the Twenty first Century”, Agenda 21
Autobiography of Senator Barry Goldwater “With No Apologies” 1979
US Army document “From Psyop to Mindwar”
“A Brief Overview of Activity Based Intelligence 2nd Human Domain Analytics by Mark Phillips , Trajectory Magazine,
Mindwar by Michael A. Aquino
Human Domain, Human Terrain, Human Dimension – “How we hear, see, think, or act in an environment”
Scientism to Technocracy
Inciting Incidents, Agency (human agency)
Jade Helm, Mitre Corp, John P Wheeler – homicide
Dr. Timothy Leary
Cascadia Project & Agenda,
national monuments as a means to acquire land
edifices of globalist movment
Liberty Link Corn Dust – content report on Roundup ReadyCorn Dust
Mold count, Aspergillus, Penicillium, reduction of beneficial bacteria
Historical Ancient: Sacred Elements of Kingship by Daniel Bray
Historical Ancient: From this Immense Panorama: Studies in Honor by Eric J Sharpe
Gov. Exhibit 003-0085 US vs HLF et al “the Group”
General Wesley Powell, policy coup; “we are going to attack seven countries in five years.” comments 1991
Wolfowitz said we have about 5-10 years to clean up the old Soviet client regimes
McCain & Kerry visits to Ukraine instigate civil war
Cheny & Rumsfeld Project for New American Century
Missing Trillions; 9-11
If a government is operating outside its own law it is a criminal government.
It takes a breed of outlaw to force our government to get back within the law.
no conformity, no suppression…
The fates of quicklings are very simple growing consuming expanding dying. And always rushing predictably along your paths. You are unique among beings; you decide your own direction, but does that mean you will choose anything different?
Fir Flathemon (Old Irish): The truth and justice of a ruler. See Audacht Morainn, “The testament of Morann” 7th Century example of Speculum Principum (“Mirror of Princes”)
Z – Plan: (Z meaning Zukunft or future, devised by Canaris) The ‘future plan’ was for the Third Reich to survive outside Europe and re-emerge in the future from either another location on Earth or from the stars if a raumschiff could be constructed in time before the collapse.
Power resides where men believe it resides; its a trick; a shadow on the wall. And a very small man can cast a very large shadow.
How I wish you could see the Potential, the Potential between you and me; its like a book elegantly bound but in a language you cannot read.
Images courtesy of Professor Doom1 video at youtube.
ABOUT CYRELLYS. For those who do not know Cyrellys and are concerned her message is as an outsider, you should know she was born and raised in Oregon until moving to Montana a decade ago. She is a researcher, communication facilitator and freelance writer and information analyst with a history in the research community on the Deep State.
Editor. Susan Lindauer on the Covert Report on Saturday January 9, 2016 interviews both Cyrellys Geibhendach and Quintus Dias of Manticore Group about the Burns OR situation and their use of the Committees of Safety.
A week ago, the dramatic stand off in Burns, Oregon erupted suddenly, without warning over Dwight (73) and Steven (46) Hammond’s court order to surrender to prison for a second time, on charges of “terrorism”, as punishment for a controlled burn to offset a lightning fire which accidentally jumped over to BLM lands. What BLM decries as “arson,” ranchers consider healthy land management practices to prevent the sort of large scale forest fires that have destroyed thousands of acres of lands elsewhere in Oregon and California. The rest is history: After a public protest, Ammon and Cliven Bundy took over the Malheur Wildlife Refuge. The situation appeared so dire that Oathkeepers and liberty activities feared the protest might spark a second Waco conflagration with federal authorities. That’s when they invoked “safety committees”— and changed the whole dynamic of the confrontation, as today’s guests, Cyrellys Geibendach and “Quintas Dias” from the Liberty Community relate.. For the most part, elected officials have stayed away, but real community leaders have stepped into the leadership void, and have been hearing grievances and working out better strategies for making sure the Hammonds’ nightmare ordeal in prison doesn’t occur again. In the process, we’ve learned that 100 RANCHERS in Eastern Oregon have been pushed off their lands by BLM technocrats. It’s a lesson in successful civic action that everybody needs to hear.
Dwight Hammond (73) of Burns, Oregon is likely to die in prison because of double jeopardy and double talking on terrorism, in pursuit of civil forfeiture of ranch lands. Today’s guests, terrorism analyst Scott Bennett and Michael Jay Anderson, challenge the outrageous notion that Constitution-loving, flag-waving, cowboys in boots have been attainted as “terrorists” for espousing limitations on federal authority. This is a great show, which confronts the hypocrisy of U.S and European demands for multi-cultural support for Islamic refugees pouring over the borders into Europe, while exposing the public to real dangers and violence from young Islamic men, as witnessed in Germany, Sweden, Austria, Spain, Norway…. the list goes on. Europeans are filing permits for guns and tasers at record rates for self protection. Meanwhile, in the good ole U.S of A, Ron Paul bumper stickers and controlled burns on private ranch lands (to prevent massive wildfires in the West) are equated to acts of terrorism. Come listen to the global craziness as world leaders try to defend open refugee policies, and clamp downs on local activists. You won’t like it, either!
By the way, The Bureau of Land Management has admitted that it does not subject its own employees to arson charges when they’ve made mistakes during prescribed burns, so the punishment for the Hammonds was excessive, Hammonds’ attorney points out.
“To treat them as terrorists, we think, is horribly unjust and secondly, hypocritical,” he said. “Why does the federal government need to get more?”
And check out “Shell Games” by Scott Bennett.
3% Idaho joins Bundy in Burns, OR. So who runs 3% Idaho? – LINK
New insight that BLM might have started the controlled burn blamed on the Hammonds….LINK
PRESENTATION OF RESOLUTION
Quintus Dias. Attempts are being made to resolve this issue. Distrust of fedgov is so deep, that the presenters were armed when they presented their resolution. Sheriff Mack and others have been contacted to see if they can use their influence to peacefully end this incident. If bullets fly, we all loose. Bundy and his people have made their point. Now it is time for Oregonians to deal with this and for the Bundyites to go home, as they have succeeded in alerting people in Oregon and across America as to the nature of the problem. Americans do not like martyrs-of any kind, nor do they like hidden agendas, or being put on the spot. Bundy and his people put Oregonians on the spot. All right, they made their case. Now go home.
Note by Cyrellys Geibhendach, from email January 11, 2016.
They had a representative at the Saturday 9 2016 Committee of Safety Meeting in town. Dressed in civilian clothes at the time and very polite and courteous even beyond the short speech the rep made. That however was before the information about the fedgov sending in the professional killers SOD-X and Delta Force was widely known.
I agree with a lot of the elements delineated in this article. Simply put, it is not enough to lead or be part of a political movement in opposition to tyranny. You must control all aspects of resistance to tyrants: economic, military, information, education, logistics, and spiritual (spiritual or soft power must be included with hard power), or fail.
Imperial France developed a very effective counter-insurgency strategy to cope with numerous insurgency movements during the heyday of the French empire in Asia and in Africa. They tested the strategy in the Spanish Peninsular War, and in North Africa during the so-called Rift wars. It worked-for a time.
This strategy can be used against tyrants equally well. What must be understood, is that it is all inclusive. You cannot ignore any of the elements listed below.
1. Military (recruitment and training)
2. Logistics (hard power: weapons, ammunition, sources of supply and manufacture and delivery of military equipements or accessories to project power)
3. Control (and development) of the local economy
5. Spiritual realm (includes hearts and minds)
6. Information (deep-rooted information and counter-propaganda)
7. Leadership (at all levels)
8. Building and maintaining alternative infrastructure (services: trash, police, taxes, waste, power, water, medicine, government, industry, education)
9. Time and fighting over generations (the fight may be over protracted time or become trans generational)
The strategy centers on the oil-drop concept. Simply, it rests on dropping a succession of oil drops representing centers of opposition to tyrants across a geographical area. Consider the geographic area a table cloth. Each drop or resistance movement contains elements 1 through 9. Once the movement has secured control of its area of operations, another drop of oil or resistance movement is dropped on the so-called tablecloth representing geography to be controlled. Ultimately, the outcome, if applied correctly is that the tablecloth or the area you wish to control becomes one big oil stain. This strategy was used by the very competent Polish resistance movement during WWII. It was also used by Ho Chi Minh and the Vietminh and later during the Vietnam war by the Viet Cong. You can also see elements of it used by American patriots during the Revolutionary war.
Moving forward, during the 1990s, elements of the same strategy was used by Constitutionalist political operatives to overturn and drive out hard core leftist groups from the Pacific Northwest. These forces destroyed Hilary Clinton’s political base in the Pacific Northwest. It worked-for some time. However, the success was not permanent as everyone went back to sleep! And this is one of our big failings. After having destroyed or defeating the enemy, Americans tend to go back home thinking the fight is over with. History shows us that the fight to remain free is never over with. NEVER!
A report furnished to the Manticore Group Email Discussion List:
Report on January 8, 2016 Committee of Safety Meeting in Burns OR as Observable via Youtube Live Stream
By Cyrellys Geibhendach
I followed the Burns Oregon Community of Safety Meeting – live, courtesy of Pete Santilli and his crew on youtube. They attended the meeting and supplied a direct feed of the event to the net. Various local speakers and visitors took turns at the podium and made so many excellent comments and shared personal experiences related to the situation in Burns and the history of the difficulty with the government across not only their community but some in other locations in the state or neighboring states.
I learned a considerable amount of information about the situation there, just by listening to the audio of both the speakers and other people talking in the background. The 2 hour event kicked off with the speakers and then finished with the community simply spending time together mingling and discussion among themselves. Some people in this latter period did not want to be on camera and I give Pete and his crew a good deal of credit for respecting that by keeping the camera either on Pete or at a nearby wall or other direction that was not directed at the person in question.
Some of the information conveyed included the account that when the FBI arrived they had the town shut down the school and told everyone it was to protect the children from being kidnapped or harmed by the people at the reserve or any others. Later the community finds out, and this made the residents very angry, that the school was shut down so the FBI could use the school as a staging and command hub.
There were various speakers who stood out in the first period of the event:
Who are there to “to secure a perimeter around the Wildlife Refuge, it’s occupiers, and the citizens of Harney County.” Quote from their website.
Quote a public statement at PPN: We wish to establish a safety perimeter of protection for the occupiers so as to prevent a Waco-style situation from unfolding during this peaceful occupation. The primary intention of this outer-ring is to bear witness to any aggressive action initiated by federal agencies or the occupiers, and to encourage an open dialogue towards a peaceful resolution. We will serve as a neutral third-party intermediary to prevent bloodshed.
In congruence with the concerns of the citizens of Harney County, The PPN and its affiliated organizations will operate with respect and professionalism so as to not elevate fears within the community. As outsiders, we recognize our responsibility to maintain both peace and civility during our presence. To further demonstrate our non-aggressive posture, military style or tactical clothing will not be authorized for this operation. It is imperative that the Nation recognize the importance and sanctity of all lives in this situation. While the PPN does not condone nor encourage the execution of the Wildlife Refuge occupation, we have a duty and responsibility to ensure that a peaceful resolution is reached.
Joseph said, “the Committee was split 3 to 3,” and characterized this as a Constitutional Crisis. He said, “the public is fearful of authorities, and that it is inappropriate for anyone to threaten anybody.” He expressed that it is not necessary for anyone to be in agreement over the situation, but that a ‘civil, articulate, discussion’ based on commonality be had. He reiterated this is not a standoff and while he does not agree with what Ammon and company chose to do, he recognizes this has resulted in creating a public discussion about the problems. He finished his comment with saying that “anyone coming in to the community must be respectful to the residents.”
Others mention the State Representative Walden who as an author of legislation was challenged by the BLM. It was noted that the recent speech made by Representative Walden was without doubt the defining speech of his career.
It was also acknowledged the BLM does not coordinate as required by law or respond to the neighboring Josephine County.
There was discussion of the larger problem and how our communities are conditioned to Administrative Rule by the Administrative State surpassing any ability or capacity toward crisis resolution. Comment was made comparing legal vs lawful, and that what the Bundy’s were engaged in could be defined as what the founders called civil disobedience.
Joseph pointed out to the audience that this situation could be a blessing in disguise. The fear is from the BLM and reprisaltory actions such as fines, or nonrenewal of grazing leases among other things. He also spoke briefly on tyranny vs liberty.
Later it was noted that over the course of the evening those members of the community unsure of speaking out grew in confidence as the night went on, and more came forward.
One very important piece of information was presented, involving a letter to Congress directed at Oregon’s DeFazio, requesting a congressional investigation of the BLM, to which there has not yet been a response. It was then pointed out that there was a distinct absence of management in the community throughout this situation…no federal representation, presences, or leadership. It was also mentioned that Sheriff has not responded to requests to speak with several parties.
Other issues and items that were pointed out included:
Amanda Marshal resigned in the Justice Dept; this is a cultural issue
That many people are advised with problems like what is happening in Burns to ‘take it to court’ BUT the unlimited resources of the federal government vs the limited resources of individuals results in an upside down situation that they believe was never intended by the Founders.
The issue with mandatory minimum sentence that clogs the prison with non-violent offenders costing taxpayers 10s of millions of dollars
The age of Hammond Sr.
The double jeopardy issue with the Hammonds going back a 2nd time
The number of people involved who could have intervened before the situation resulted in the current state.
That there were at least 3 specifically noted opportunities to make different choices by the System
The 2 hour meeting was said to be attended by perhaps as many as 800 people at one point. The meeting was occurring at roughly a week from the point the Bundy’s and the others at the Reserve took to occupying the premises. It was also noted that the vast majority of the people did not fear the people at the Reserve.
The video finished with a Consensus Recap that contained the following information from Santilli’s crew based on their cumulative experience:
That the silent majority, for them this meeting was an extension of the ‘good ol’ boys club – consisting of 2 hours in which they discuss how they’re going to fix the situation, pick up the pieces, and force the Bundy’s to leave.
The silent majority is angry with the leaders in the Committee.
They see fear in the Committee – no one wants to hold the Sheriff accountable.
The FBI as a covert presence is highly disturbing
The Santilli team notes the opportunity to speak and the silent majority are still afraid
The attendees commented about the leaders patting themselves on the back and that once the media is gone, once Bundy is gone, once the 3%’rs are gone there will be a price to pay.
Some of the attendees have commented to them variously about being threatened by friends and family for standing up in the community over the BLM abuses
The Santilli team notes that if this (fear) spreads out across the nation, just how much trouble we all are in as a nation
That some of the attendees couldn’t believe it was only 2 hours and that was it.
That some of the attendees felt this Sheriff is bowing to same entities they are angry at.
That some of the attendees are concerned the Committee Leaders and others in government are going to target the people who spoke out against the government at the event.
That some of the people attending were rude
One individual when Santilli mentioned the FBI became hostile – a fella in a cowboy hat from Nebraska who was by profession a talk show host, and acting as master of ceremonies at the event.
Santilli’s team noted a distinct lack of assurance provided by all the speakers except by the representative from the Pacific Patriots Network.
That the rep from the Pacific Patriots Network, himself a minority, said to the assembled, “don’t let them throw the racist card out there…we won’t let anything happen to you.”
One of the team remarked the meeting seemed a bit lax considering the import
Noted that there seemed to be a fear the cameras will go away and the community will be left to be persecuted even worse and the committee seems oblivious to this
Noted that on this same day Ammon in a comment said “the US Constitution is non-negotiable”
Noted that Ammon is concerned these people are not strong enough to resist on their own (in regards to his standing down), and the team mentioned possible evidence of Stockholm Syndrom, that people here seem to have fallen in love with their captors
The team acknowledged Ammon is taking a huge chance and possesses a heavy burden.
That the police department reportedly scared the community to death by the school closure.
The team discussed to separate accounts from two different women of the government frightening people seemingly deliberately:a. a friend of a woman who worked at the post office, the closure of the post office was because the workers might be attacked, and b. the government telling the people they should leave the community as they might be kidnapped by the militia and dragged out to the refuge. A person by the moniker CC was mentioned.
The team characterized the rumor and fear laden environment as ridiculous and crazy
The team also addressed public accusations external to the Burns OR environ questioning possible infiltration of the camp.They acknowledge there is always a chance of that. But they don’t specifically or directly know any such thing. They do not have time to fret over it. They’re there to cover what is happening and do not have time or resources to look up every minutia put out. They ask that people stop that. The team said that if there is an infiltrator in the midst of the people at the Reserve, that group will find out. There is no time to spend on such rabbit holes. Santilli pointedly stated this whole (big picture) is not about them (the group at the Reserve). It’s about the community. He said, these accusations are distracting. He reiterated the focus is on the community. Budda has left the camp and is back handling security for the Bundy Family. Santilli said, “sure dig into Payne, etc, but it is 3 to 4 levels out from the real issue which is the dynamics in the community; the condition of the silent majority.” He continued, that “the issues with individuals at the camp is not relevant at this point.” The team went on to express that they thought Blain Cooper is generally an upstanding individual trying to do the right thing, regardless of whatever his name may be. The team pointed out that this sort of infighting seems to occur every time there is a situation or event across the nation and that it is not constructive. One of the team members referred to the people not on the scene as behaving cannibalistic. She went on to say that they have defended each other and that trusted individuals engaging in this sort of conduct makes our community look and sound like horrible thugs; she expressed being agast at this behavior. She said she is worried about the lives at the Refuge, and worried about the spread of this fear, and what is happening to the people of the community. She said the detachment of the internet world is fostering divisions. She said that the choices of the group at the Refuge may be a tactical and strategic mistake but that we should trust Ammon and Ryan Bundy to make the right decisions forward. She said the situation in the Community of Burns is filled with tension and the fear of the unknowing. The team has been very impressed and loved meeting and getting to know the community in person. They feel what is most important is what the Community’s interests are. They pointed out that the favorite tool of the FBI is to accuse someone of being an informant and that this issue is the smallest element.
The team mentioned they have extended their stay and are asking for help and support.
The team wrapped up saying that the least credible people are those who do not come to locations, who get their information from internet rumors.Santilli said, “human interaction is the most comforting thing and he is embarrassed about having to talk about this.” The team expressed the whole situation in Burns is ‘crazy messed up rumors’. Santilli ended with pointing out that ‘crazy messed up rumors keep those who should be empowered off kilter.’
After reviewing the whole footage of the livestream I found a very reasonable job being done by the Santilli team in this particular event. The only part left to subjective interpretation would be the parts they reported where individuals approached them privately to give their experience or testimony. Now some might characterize the report of the fear as fabricated however I did notice there were a few instances where someone spoke with them and went further than just asking the camera be turned away, but also asked the sound pickup be muted or lessened. In retrospect I’m personally satisfied with most of the information in this summary report on the event. I was unable to catch all the names of the speakers so I have not been able to include those.
I agree with the Santilli team about the destructiveness of infighting. I also agree that it is not relevant if there is any infiltration involved here. The important matter IS THE COMMUNITY and its condition and experience. I think it is very appropriate to point out that at some point if this goes no further the cameras will soon be gone and that is indeed when the predatory state or like individuals within it are most likely to go back to causing abject damage and that this is something that truly deserves being addressed by the broader Liberty Community.
There are those out there who will criticize that I have taken this information via Santilli’s live feed. However, there was no one else out there in our Liberty Community who was doing this. There was no other possible way, I personally know of at this time, to get this look at the community of Burns itself and how the people are coping and what dynamics may be in play. For this reason the information should be admitted at face value, regardless of whatever you may personally believe. I did not discern any deliberate attempt to deceive or mislead any viewer-ship.
I also commend the Santilli team for what appeared to me as a job well done on this night and point out that they are serving the people of Burns, the Liberty Community, and those at the Refuge, in this capacity respectfully. I don’t think any of us believe they can do this indefinitely but it is greatly appreciated whatever they can continue to contribute in this way.
Note from Quintus Dias. NOTE: The Nazis informed the German people that everything they were doing even contrary to German legal precepts and the natural law was legal, endorsed by their parliament, who were mostly Nazi Party functionaries. We see the same rationale being used today…It’s legal, but is it Constitutional? The Constitution is the supreme law of the land and the pols obviously ignore that fact.
January 9 Oathkeepers forwards notice they received that SOD-X & Delta Force may have been sent to Burns OR
About this information, from Cyrellys: The militia in Burns OR are NOT Oregon’s Militia. I spoke today via phone with former USMC & current Oregon Militia member HOSS who maintains a youtube site. He said the Oregon Militia have distanced themselves from the whole situation in Burns because the community there has made it clear they are not wanted. There are two specific groups on site in Burns. The Pacific Patriots Network in town observing and at the disposal of the community to defend the community members should violence erupt and the different composite unassociated group out at the Refuge led by Payne and the Bundy sons. This characterization that it is the Oregon Militia in Burns is incorrect! Someone did not fact check.