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Ebola Discussion Continued: ‘Ebola Devouring Latter Day Plague’

Textbook: Where There Is No Doctor
A widely used health education handbook.

The following compilation is a continuation of the email group discussion influenced by the monitoring the group has been conducting, on the matter of Ebola 2014.  The discussion has expanded to include the recent Enterovirus outbreak of 2014 in the U.S.

Extinction Protocol produced the following news piece as part of its excellent continuing coverage on Ebola:

Ebola ‘devouring everything in its path,’ – former UN rep calls Ebola “Latter Day Plague” that is growing exponentially


“Karin Landgren, the former UN Secretary-General’s Special Representative for Liberia, called the outbreak a “latter-day plague”’ that is growing exponentially. She told the UN that most health workers had gone for long stretches without proper protective equipment, training or pay. Al Jazeera’s James Bays, reporting from the UN in New York, said it was the first time the UNSC were discussing the matter, illustrating that Ebola was rapidly becoming a security threat.”

From Quintas Dias to Group.  September 09 of 2014.

This is the reality of the situation.  I am staying on top of this and if you’ve noticed, consider the toll it is wreaking among health professionals.  No doubt it has mutated and probably has gone airborne.  It is only a matter of time before it reaches Europe and the US.  Spain is becoming inundated by African refugees fleeing to Spanish Morocco.  The WHO and especially the CDC are full of shit and are minimizing the situation.  We are no better prepared to handle this than anyone else.  How do I know that?  It was my business to know.  The most likely US response will be a SHTF scenario and massive panic and bureaucratic ineptness, just like we saw with Katrina.
If it gets started here, the focus will be on quarantining the living from the dying and there it is.  Now we are facing a threat by an Enterovirus outbreak of a lethal strain more than likely introduced into the US by illegals.  The media is blacking this story out and the CDC doesn’t know shit what to do about it.   It has spread quickly to 10 states.  That means pandemic.
Our immune systems remain our best line of defense, but have been degraded by Flouride, toxic spraying, lethal poisons in garden and fertilizer products (which include toxic heavy metals from smelters), and from the low grade poisons found in Chemtrails.  Thus, the solution in part is to boost our immune systems.
Africa in many places only has a rudimentary health system even though her health practitioners are heroic in devotion to their patients.  Africans also have degraded  immune systems due to poor or non-existent public hygiene, poor diets, and ignorance.  Thus, Africa may revert back to the worst imaginable scenarios associated with the Black Plague and witness scores of deaths.  The response from the world community has been pathetic.
I have a med manual written by Hong Kong medical practitioners related to protective gear, basic hygiene practices and treatment protocols for infectious disease.  Hong Kong medics lead the world in prophylactic measures for infectious diseases, especially after their latest go around with H1N1.  Anyone wanting a copy let me know and I will send it.

Reply from Cyrellys to Group.  September 09 of 2014

Yes, I’m still watching this with a cautious eye as well.  I have the same opinion on it.  What I think I can contribute here at this time that would be useful to everyone is my prior experience with Enterovirus.

I have a family member prone to lung infections and asthma who three or four years ago had a really bad run in with Enterovirus and landed in the hospital for it.  The hospital successfully treated it with steroids to knock it down and after three day layover in the hospital to recoup we finished treating it with albuterol using a nebulizer.  Albuterol is a prescription medicine.
Since then we put anyone in our family who gives the least hint of a croup cough on double to triple doses of vitamins and echinacea tea which is similar to using steroids.  Anyone who has kids that are asthmatic should see if they can get their doctor to approve a purchase of a home vaporizor machine that can administer the albuterol medication direct to the nose and mouth and a small reserve supply of the medication for in case of emergency when during an oubreak the doc can give you the go ahead to use it via the phone.
In children croup cough is one of the most distinct signs of the illness alongside labored breathing.  IT is DIFFERENT from the cough typical of the common cold which is generally wet and full of congestive phlegm to be expelled.  Croup cough is dry and sounds like the child’s lungs are barking during the cough.  Albuterol works for adults with weak lungs too.  But like any medicine should be used no more often than necessary with reliance being placed first on building and maintaining the immune system and healthy diet, exercise etc.  Many medicines have lessened effect when used too regularly.  Having a resource like this available prior to an outbreak could improve the situation and give physicians some breathing room to work with if inundated with patients all requiring immediate attention and a sudden strain on existing supplies in pharmacies.

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Reply from Quintas Dias to Group.   September 09 of 2014

Thank you.  The strain of Entero now loose in the US seems to be attacking kids in school settings.  It would be helpful if somebody could list possible remedies that are non-prescription.  I say this because in medical emergencies I have been associated with Doctors cannot be bothered writing prescriptions for individuals.  Moreover, we have an acute shortage of pain killers and antivirals and antibiotics.  Hospital supplies are under guard, and rural hospitals face severe shortages.  IMO, you do not want to go to hospital unless absolutely necessary.  Killer Staph infections in hospitals are now common and the degree of care has largely been degraded from what it once was.
Keep this in mind.  In event of a public health emergency or disaster scenario you will have to contend with RULE 1.  Rule 1 is simple.  It is TRIAGE.  Triage divides treatment according the following schema.  A.  These people we can save now, thus resources go to these first.  B.  These people we might be able to save, and less resources are accorded to this category.  C.  These people are the ones we cannot save.  They get no resources at all…they are left to die.
I need to restock my supply of Goldenseal, Fever Few, Red Clover, Echinacea.  It’s a good idea to stock up on Hydrogen Peroxide, Alcohol, Baking Soda, Bleach, and Pool Shock.  Vitamins are essential and I try to maintain a stock of B12, C, D3, Zinc and Magnesium.  I also stock Cinnamon and Tumeric.  I keep Oregano, Basil, Olive Leaf Extract on hand.  Red Clover tea is an excellent blood purifier.  Also keep in mind Russian Penicillin.  This is mashed up fresh garlic in olive oil.  The Russians did not have access to Penicillin in WWII.  Being of inventive mind they used the garlic concoction successfully to treat infectious wounds.
When Mt. St. Helens blew up, I was in Yakima Co.  The county was severely impacted by ash fallout.  It was dark 24/7 for weeks.  Ash debridement caused infectious boils.  We had fantastic results using home made saline solutions to treat this with.
In using herbal teas, I had fantastic results in breaking a young girl’s high fever using FEVER FEW herbal tea.  It was amazing.  It broke her fever within an hour.  I got the idea out of a pharmacopeia called Back to Eden.  The best Herbal Med source book I have come across is BACK TO EDEN available in health food stores.
There are five good med books that I use.  (a) Where there is no Doctor.  (b) Ditch Medicine, (c) US Army Special Forces Medical Handbook, (d) Merck Manual, (e) Back to Eden.
Finally, you might want to get in good with a Mex “curandera.”  They know stuff our high falutin medical personnel have no idea of.  Such as masticating Agave cactus roots and slapping the masticate on gunshot wounds.  No infection, rapid healing,  and minimal scaring.  Ole!

Reply from Cyrellys to Group.  September 10 of 2014

All good points.

I mentioned the prescription medicines for two reasons.  The first so that we can see boosting the immune and energy system to deal with this illness is the same method they synthesize artificially using steroids.  Steroidal medicines don’t attack a viral infection directly.  They supercharge the immune system and the body’s endurance capacity to do what it does best, formulate an anti-viral reaction of its own.  We can do this also using things like vitamins, echinecea, and honey (which has some of its own anti-viral and anti-bacterial properties as well as being an easily digestible energy source).  Another thing that can be done, but you have to start very early, is alter the bio-chemical composition of the body itself through the low dose consumption of vinegar.  There has been success doing this through the consumption of a spoonful of vinegar 2x daily if you can stomach it…those with stomach erosions probably should not try this.  There are some microorganisms that cannot survive in the body if you change the PH factor which is what consuming vinegar does if you do it long term.
The second reason I mentioned the prescription medicines, is because there are some (often older doctors) who are willing to help families pre-stock prescription supplies for chronic ailments.  Ours wrote us prescriptions for albuterol supplies to keep on hand.  Granted not all doctors will do this, but for those out there who might have access to one, it would be sensible to have a conversation with that person and explain what you mean to do and your reasoning.  Doctors being frontline for any crisis are generally practical people too.  So don’t be afraid to ask; worst one can say is no.
The biggest problem with home remedies and herbal medicines is not their effectiveness, but locating useful instructions for preparing and dosing them, and any conflicts with other substances they may have.  Many books happily tell you what to use for what ailment, but they won’t give specific instruction for preparing the tinctures, whether to grind or steep, or even what part of the plant to use and how much of the raw to start with or how much of the preparation to take and for how long.  Some herbal plants use only one part of the plant specially prepared and in the raw they are toxic.  Some if you get the consumptive quantity too high, can be toxic, i.e. valerian (root).  Others can illicit an allergic reaction in some people, i.e. echinecea can be problematic for some people allergic to plants from the daisy family.  Some can only be used topically and should not be ingested.  Your average mainstream physician will not know the first thing about these issues because they are not part of his medical training.  Your kitchen herbs is not so much an issue as are the more exotic ones like willow bark for pain relief, etc.  If you cannot find access to a book that gives such info, track down an herbalist or try getting a recommendation on who to contact from the American Herbalists Guild or The School of Traditional Western Herbalism.  Not all locals have access to holistic medicine practitioners, but many of the large cities will have a few or even a group.
Another thing everyone needs to know about herbal remedies and vitamins is that when you purchase over the counter pre-prepared substances (vitamins are notorious for this), they are often in dosages that are so low as to be more placebo than medicinal or health supportive.  You can for example look up the vitamins helpful for COPD (chronic bronchitis) and discover that vitamin D-3, Ginseng, Vitamin E, and Selenium in combination are effective.  Vitamins are measured in amounts labeled IU or mg (milligram).  You have to match the effective Vitamin D-3 IU quantity of 100,000 IU per month to a daily dose which when divided by the number of average days in a month (30) comes out to approx 3333 IUs per day which is far above the recommended daily IUs of Vitamin D.  Consider how many tablets you’d have to consume per day to achieve this if your bottle only contains 400 IU tablets like the product available from Nature’s Measure!  So it is not enough just to have some sort of vitamin D-3 on hand for this ailment.  You must pay close attention to the product you are acquiring, its content dosage and what your needs actually are.
Another example for the same hypothetical ailment pertinent to this discussion is Vitamin E (d-alphatocopherol).  Vitamin E requires a buddy to be effective and bond with nutrients in the body.  It is usually buddied up with Selenium.  Not just any kind of Vitamin E works for this…it has to be the form of d-alphatocopherol (natural) not the synthetic dl-alphatocopherol.  So learning if there are more than one form of some kinds of vitamins may be important to what you are doing.  Learning what questions to know to ask is worthy of your time.
Substances containing selenium in good quantity as an alternate to pre-prepared medicinal sources such as tablets include Brazil nuts.  3-6 brazil nuts contain 200 mcgs of selenium which is the recommended dose per day and where in cancer patients they typically take SE (methylselenocysteine) to as much as 200-400 mcg per day.  This implies there’s some flexibility with the dose range when dealing with a terminal illness.
Other substances that are helpful for afflictions of the lungs include Olive leaf (natural antibiotic with anti-inflammatory and anti-viral, anti-bacterial properties), Serrapeptase (a natural enzyme), Cayenne (increases circulation, improves breathing – 1 cup water/1/4 tsp cayenne/1 tsp apple vinegar/2 tsp honey together as a concoction drink slowly throughout day), astragalus, ginseng, quercetin, thyme, milk thistle, eucalyptus, lobelia, ginger (anti-inflammatory), NAC (N-aetylcysteine; recommended by Jeremy Mikolai ND National College of Natural Medicine in Portland OR, and administered via nebulizer, anti-phlem mucus thinning), Carnitine and CQ10, vitamin C and Magnesium.  There is a mail order organization, Swanson Health Products, which puts out a pretty thorough catalog you can get for free that contains vitamin products in dosages more commiserate with practical use.
Dosages for vitamins and other medicines are usually specified by the weight of a person.  In Selenium where an adult might be at 200 mcg/day, a children’s range will look more like:  kids age 4-8 years at 30 mcg, 9-13 years 40 mcg dose, and over 13 years of age at 55 mcg dose.  Most books will talk about the adult doses of medications if they give any dosing information.  So you will have to extrapolate from the average weight of a healthy adult and figure as close to the per pound to gain appropriate doses for children in their weight ranges.
A resource for anti-biotics like pennicillan, oxytetracycline, and supporting vitamins lie injectable vitamin B complex, intravenous fluids, etc is your veterinarian.  Many livestock producers stock their medical refrigerators prior to the production season because with a sick animal you may only have an hour or two to get medications into that animal before it is beyond all help because animals not being communicators of the human kind will not exhibit symptoms oft times till they’ve keeled over into the ground.  So it is not unusual for a veterinarian to help a farm or ranch prepare ahead of time to handle most matters themselves because a Vet can be an hour or more distant in an emergency.  These medicines through a vet are usually of the injectable kind and you’ll have to know or learn how to give them with a needle per instructions like intramuscular(IM) or sub-cutaneously (SC or Sub-Q) in addition to dosage.
Another critical piece of information for home healers to know is that sometimes it isn’t the original affliction which ends up killing a critter or person.  It’s the secondary issues like dehydration, shock, or severe nutrient loss that either kills in itself or contributes to the establishment of a third party infection usually bacterial.  Here are some commonly used recipes used by farm families for both people and livestock to address the secondary issues:
Homemade Electrolyte Solution
(since death results from dehydration and shock the first goal is to restore electrolyte balance.  Electrolyte formulations are available from drug companies, but in an emergency a suitable solution can be mixed from ingredients found in any kitchen)
2 teaspoons table salt
1 teaspoon baking soda
8 tablespoons honey, white corn syrup, or crystalline dextrose (never cane sugar!)
1 gallon warm water
Neomycin, nitrofurazone, or chloramphenicol can be added to formula or given separately
1. Add salt, baking soda, and sweetner to water.
2. Mix well.
3. Add antibiotic to formula if you wish.
4.  If the patient in question is too weak to drink, it can be administered via a syringe or stomach tube.  Give 1-2 cups per 10 lbs of body weight per day until recovered.
Giving an electrolyte solution orally is called hypotonic.  The above solution contains electrolytes in roughly half the concentration of electrolytes in the blood and is given ONLY by mouth.  Giving electrolytes intravenously direct to the blood stream via needles is called isotonic and is done with special solutions available via doctors or veterinarians only.
Home Remedy for Diarrhea also called Scours
(the source of this home remedy was a veterinarian)
1 cup buttermilk
1 raw egg
1 teaspoon cocoa
1/4 teaspoon baking soda
1. Mix ingredients in a blender, or shake well in a jar.
2. Give one-fourth of this mixture every 2 to 3 hours.
One crushed bolus(tablet) of neomycin can be added to this mixture.