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Burns OR Committee of Safety Meeting Jan 8 of 2016 Live Feed Review

A report furnished to the Manticore Group Email Discussion List:

 Report on January 8, 2016 Committee of Safety Meeting in Burns OR as Observable via Youtube Live Stream

By Cyrellys Geibhendach

I followed the Burns Oregon Community of Safety Meeting – live, courtesy of Pete Santilli and his crew on youtube.  They attended the meeting and supplied a direct feed of the event to the net.  Various local speakers and visitors took turns at the podium and made so many excellent comments and shared personal experiences related to the situation in Burns and the history of the difficulty with the government across not only their community but some in other locations in the state or neighboring states.

 

I learned a considerable amount of information about the situation there, just by listening to the audio of both the speakers and other people talking in the background.  The 2 hour event kicked off with the speakers and then finished with the community simply spending time together mingling and discussion among themselves.  Some people in this latter period did not want to be on camera and I give Pete and his crew a good deal of credit for respecting that by keeping the camera either on Pete or at a nearby wall or other direction that was not directed at the person in question.

 

Some of the information conveyed included the account that when the FBI arrived they had the town shut down the school and told everyone it was to protect the children from being kidnapped or harmed by the people at the reserve or any others.  Later the community finds out, and this made the residents very angry, that the school was shut down so the FBI could use the school as a staging and command hub.

 

There were various speakers who stood out in the first period of the event:

 

A Tim who later said he was with Pahvant Post

http://www.pahvantpost.com/

 

Joseph Rice of Pacific Patriot Network, Oathkeepers, and Idaho 3%

http://www.pacificpatriotsnetwork.com/  Spoke in plain clothes.

Who are there to “to secure a perimeter around the Wildlife Refuge, it’s occupiers, and the citizens of Harney County.” Quote from their website.

 

Quote a public statement at PPN:  We wish to establish a safety perimeter of protection for the occupiers so as to prevent a Waco-style situation from unfolding during this peaceful occupation. The primary intention of this outer-ring is to bear witness to any aggressive action initiated by federal agencies or the occupiers, and to encourage an open dialogue towards a peaceful resolution. We will serve as a neutral third-party intermediary to prevent bloodshed.

 

In congruence with the concerns of the citizens of Harney County, The PPN and its affiliated organizations will operate with respect and professionalism so as to not elevate fears within the community. As outsiders, we recognize our responsibility to maintain both peace and civility during our presence. To further demonstrate our non-aggressive posture, military style or tactical clothing will not be authorized for this operation. It is imperative that the Nation recognize the importance and sanctity of all lives in this situation. While the PPN does not condone nor encourage the execution of the Wildlife Refuge occupation, we have a duty and responsibility to ensure that a peaceful resolution is reached.

 

Joseph said, “the Committee was split 3 to 3,” and characterized this as a Constitutional Crisis.  He said, “the public is fearful of authorities, and that it is inappropriate for anyone to threaten anybody.”  He expressed that it is not necessary for anyone to be in agreement over the situation, but that a ‘civil, articulate, discussion’ based on commonality be had.  He reiterated this is not a standoff and while he does not agree with what Ammon and company chose to do, he recognizes this has resulted in creating a public discussion about the problems.  He finished his comment with saying that “anyone coming in to the community must be respectful to the residents.”

 

Others mention the State Representative Walden who as an author of legislation was challenged by the BLM.  It was noted that the recent speech made by Representative Walden was without doubt the defining speech of his career.

 

It was also acknowledged the BLM does not coordinate as required by law or respond to the neighboring Josephine County.

 

There was discussion of the larger problem and how our communities are conditioned to Administrative Rule by the Administrative State surpassing any ability or capacity toward crisis resolution.  Comment was made comparing legal vs lawful, and that what the Bundy’s were engaged in could be defined as what the founders called civil disobedience.

 

Joseph pointed out to the audience that this situation could be a blessing in disguise.  The fear is from the BLM and reprisaltory actions such as fines, or nonrenewal of grazing leases among other things.  He also spoke briefly on tyranny vs liberty.

 

Later it was noted that over the course of the evening those members of the community unsure of speaking out grew in confidence as the night went on, and more came forward.

 

One very important piece of information was presented, involving a letter to Congress directed at Oregon’s DeFazio, requesting a congressional investigation of the BLM, to which there has not yet been a response.  It was then pointed out that there was a distinct absence of management in the community throughout this situation…no federal representation, presences, or leadership.  It was also mentioned that Sheriff has not responded to requests to speak with several parties.

 

Other issues and items that were pointed out included:

 

  • Amanda Marshal resigned in the Justice Dept; this is a cultural issue
  • That many people are advised with problems like what is happening in Burns to ‘take it to court’ BUT the unlimited resources of the federal government vs the limited resources of individuals results in an upside down situation that they believe was never intended by the Founders.
  • The issue with mandatory minimum sentence that clogs the prison with non-violent offenders costing taxpayers 10s of millions of dollars
  • The age of Hammond Sr.
  • The double jeopardy issue with the Hammonds going back a 2nd time
  • The number of people involved who could have intervened before the situation resulted in the current state.
  • That there were at least 3 specifically noted opportunities to make different choices by the System

 

The 2 hour meeting was said to be attended by perhaps as many as 800 people at one point.  The meeting was occurring at roughly a week from the point the Bundy’s and the others at the Reserve took to occupying the premises.  It was also noted that the vast majority of the people did not fear the people at the Reserve.

 

The video finished with a Consensus Recap that contained the following information from Santilli’s crew based on their cumulative experience:

 

  • That the silent majority, for them this meeting was an extension of the ‘good ol’ boys club – consisting of 2 hours in which they discuss how they’re going to fix the situation, pick up the pieces, and force the Bundy’s to leave.
  • The silent majority is angry with the leaders in the Committee.
  • They see fear in the Committee – no one wants to hold the Sheriff accountable.
  • The FBI as a covert presence is highly disturbing
  • The Santilli team notes the opportunity to speak and the silent majority are still afraid
  • The attendees commented about the leaders patting themselves on the back and that once the media is gone, once Bundy is gone, once the 3%’rs are gone there will be a price to pay.
  • Some of the attendees have commented to them variously about being threatened by friends and family for standing up in the community over the BLM abuses
  • The Santilli team notes that if this (fear) spreads out across the nation, just how much trouble we all are in as a nation
  • That some of the attendees couldn’t believe it was only 2 hours and that was it.
  • That some of the attendees felt this Sheriff is bowing to same entities they are angry at.
  • That some of the attendees are concerned the Committee Leaders and others in government are going to target the people who spoke out against the government at the event.
  • That some of the people attending were rude
  • One individual when Santilli mentioned the FBI became hostile – a fella in a cowboy hat from Nebraska who was by profession a talk show host, and acting as master of ceremonies at the event.
  • Santilli’s team noted a distinct lack of assurance provided by all the speakers except by the representative from the Pacific Patriots Network.
  • That the rep from the Pacific Patriots Network, himself a minority, said to the assembled, “don’t let them throw the racist card out there…we won’t let anything happen to you.”
  • One of the team remarked the meeting seemed a bit lax considering the import
  • Noted that there seemed to be a fear the cameras will go away and the community will be left to be persecuted even worse and the committee seems oblivious to this
  • Noted that on this same day Ammon in a comment said “the US Constitution is non-negotiable”
  • Noted that Ammon is concerned these people are not strong enough to resist on their own (in regards to his standing down), and the team mentioned possible evidence of Stockholm Syndrom, that people here seem to have fallen in love with their captors
  • The team acknowledged Ammon is taking a huge chance and possesses a heavy burden.
  • That the police department reportedly scared the community to death by the school closure.
  • The team discussed to separate accounts from two different women of the government frightening people seemingly deliberately:a. a friend of a woman who worked at the post office, the closure of the post office was because the workers might be attacked, and b.  the government telling the people they should leave the community as they might be kidnapped by the militia and dragged out to the refuge.  A person by the moniker CC was mentioned.
  • The team characterized the rumor and fear laden environment as ridiculous and crazy
  • The team also addressed public accusations external to the Burns OR environ questioning possible infiltration of the camp.They acknowledge there is always a chance of that.  But they don’t specifically or directly know any such thing.  They do not have time to fret over it.  They’re there to cover what is happening and do not have time or resources to look up every minutia put out.  They ask that people stop that.  The team said that if there is an infiltrator in the midst of the people at the Reserve, that group will find out.  There is no time to spend on such rabbit holes.  Santilli pointedly stated this whole (big picture) is not about them (the group at the Reserve).  It’s about the community.  He said, these accusations are distracting.  He reiterated the focus is on the community.  Budda has left the camp and is back handling security for the Bundy Family.  Santilli said, “sure dig into Payne, etc, but it is 3 to 4 levels out from the real issue which is the dynamics in the community; the condition of the silent majority.”  He continued, that “the issues with individuals at the camp is not relevant at this point.”  The team went on to express that they thought Blain Cooper is generally an upstanding individual trying to do the right thing, regardless of whatever his name may be.  The team pointed out that this sort of infighting seems to occur every time there is a situation or event across the nation and that it is not constructive.  One of the team members referred to the people not on the scene as behaving cannibalistic.  She went on to say that they have defended each other and that trusted individuals engaging in this sort of conduct makes our community look and sound like horrible thugs; she expressed being agast at this behavior.  She said she is worried about the lives at the Refuge, and worried about the spread of this fear, and what is happening to the people of the community.  She said the detachment of the internet world is fostering divisions.  She said that the choices of the group at the Refuge may be a tactical and strategic mistake but that we should trust Ammon and Ryan Bundy to make the right decisions forward.  She said the situation in the Community of Burns is filled with tension and the fear of the unknowing.  The team has been very impressed and loved meeting and getting to know the community in person.  They feel what is most important is what the Community’s interests are.  They pointed out that the favorite tool of the FBI is to accuse someone of being an informant and that this issue is the smallest element.
  • The team mentioned they have extended their stay and are asking for help and support.
  • The team wrapped up saying that the least credible people are those who do not come to locations, who get their information from internet rumors.Santilli said, “human interaction is the most comforting thing and he is embarrassed about having to talk about this.”  The team expressed the whole situation in Burns is ‘crazy messed up rumors’.  Santilli ended with pointing out that ‘crazy messed up rumors keep those who should be empowered off kilter.’

 

 

After reviewing the whole footage of the livestream I found a very reasonable job being done by the Santilli team in this particular event.  The only part left to subjective interpretation would be the parts they reported where individuals approached them privately to give their experience or testimony.  Now some might characterize the report of the fear as fabricated however I did notice there were a few instances where someone spoke with them and went further than just asking the camera be turned away, but also asked the sound pickup be muted or lessened.  In retrospect I’m personally satisfied with most of the information in this summary report on the event.  I was unable to catch all the names of the speakers so I have not been able to include those.

 

I agree with the Santilli team about the destructiveness of infighting.  I also agree that it is not relevant if there is any infiltration involved here.  The important matter IS THE COMMUNITY and its condition and experience.  I think it is very appropriate to point out that at some point if this goes no further the cameras will soon be gone and that is indeed when the predatory state or like individuals within it are most likely to go back to causing abject damage and that this is something that truly deserves being addressed by the broader Liberty Community.

 

There are those out there who will criticize that I have taken this information via Santilli’s live feed.  However, there was no one else out there in our Liberty Community who was doing this.  There was no other possible way, I personally know of at this time, to get this look at the community of Burns itself and how the people are coping and what dynamics may be in play.  For this reason the information should be admitted at face value, regardless of whatever you may personally believe.  I did not discern any deliberate attempt to deceive or mislead any viewer-ship.

 

I also commend the Santilli team for what appeared to me as a job well done on this night and point out that they are serving the people of Burns, the Liberty Community, and those at the Refuge, in this capacity respectfully.  I don’t think any of us believe they can do this indefinitely but it is greatly appreciated whatever they can continue to contribute in this way.

 

Addendum:  Interview with Ammon Bundy by John B Wells on Caravan to Midnight published Jan 6 2016.

 

Cyrellys Geibhendach, Communication Facilitator, Manticore Group

 


 

 

 


 

Comment from Scott Bennett:  Between a Rock and a Hard Place

Additional information:

Note from Quintus Dias.  NOTE:  The Nazis informed the German people that everything they were doing even contrary to German legal precepts and the natural law was legal, endorsed by their parliament, who were mostly Nazi Party functionaries.  We see the same rationale being used today…It’s legal, but is it Constitutional?  The Constitution is the supreme law of the land and the pols obviously ignore that fact.

January 9  Oathkeepers forwards notice they received that SOD-X & Delta Force may have been sent to Burns OR

Information about SOD-X

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Late 01-09-2016 Update:

About this information, from Cyrellys:  The militia in Burns OR are NOT Oregon’s Militia.  I spoke today via phone with former USMC & current Oregon Militia member HOSS who maintains a youtube site.  He said the Oregon Militia have distanced themselves from the whole situation in Burns because the community there has made it clear they are not wanted.  There are two specific groups on site in Burns.  The Pacific Patriots Network in town observing and at the disposal of the community to defend the community members should violence erupt and the different composite unassociated group out at the Refuge led by Payne and the Bundy sons.  This characterization that it is the Oregon Militia in Burns is incorrect!  Someone did not fact check.

EXCELLENT PIECE by an author who has been charged under the Patriot Act and served prison time who understands what the victims are going through:  Between a Rock and a Hard Place: The Oregon Standoff. Part I.

OBAMA RESPONDS TO INFOWARS ON GUN CONTROL, MARTIAL LAW Desperate Obama forced to counter Infowars directly


History:  Committee of Safety

in 1775, the Virginia Committee of Safety sought to increase the availability of salt by… Source:  Salt Hoarding

 

Sarfatti List “Pancakes”: The Cruise to NoWhere

Re: Hello, Cy, OMF II – Part 2

Post by Cyrellys Today at 12:05 pm

Dan Smith wrote:The main thing for scientists is to chill out wrt to their armchair philosophy talk, and start minding their own material business.  IOW, quit being Pythagoreans, Spinozians, pantheists, panentheists, etc, when speaking ex-cathedra.  Also, quit trying to find the God particle and the ToE.  I’m the ToE for the time being.

Dan this is unrealistic.  It’s like expecting a zebra to morph to spots from its firmly established stripes.

Beyond that Synchronicity has a plan already in motion with an outcome that has only this remote connection.  And I cannot attend any cruise.  Notice where I reside?  There’s a reason for that.  But the Ps will do as they please, in the system-wide myopia.

Meanwhile, good things going here…

Bad news, one of the Sarfatti group is 30 days MIA and we are currently working to ascertain he is still alive and kicking.

———

So this Disclosure, are the system inhabitants finally planning on doing what was requested in 2008?  “Disclose to your people about contact et al, or we will do it for you?” scheduled 2017?

Or is this just one of those ‘digestible’ disclosures done by one of a hundred different groups?

P&S are not the only group floating a Disclosure right now.  Yes we have to get through December…several vectors in play.  One of the foremost being the fall of the European Union and a US Globalist/Globalist Controlled State Department instigated WWIII.

Putin is doing what the public expects to get done while the State Dept & Bummer Admin are threatening to attack him for taking out their latest depopulation proxy who is currently invading europe and then promptly disappearing from the camps…with Soros provided instruction booklets from the Greek coast.  Mean while the Russians are attempting to clear the trash and make it possible for the legit refugees to stay put in the ME.

Now here’s the big question…in 2010-2011 Ghosttroop was still roaming the net looking for signs of the rumored loose nukes prepositioned in major US cities…supposidly the specops found and deactivated the one in Helena MT and another in Utah…true?  Heresay between groups is hard to prove, but that was the dialog running…that the specops were being picked off and eliminated…how many theoretical contraptions still remain?  Did they finish the hunt?  We’re all still here so maybe they did…maybe that’s why the mil special projects have recently been busted into the public eye trying to attach ebola virus to chem spray strands, and the chem trail pilots are howling from the rooftops “FOUL!”

One can wonder but the only word from the illustrious P fam is about end of the world cruises, while there’s real work to be and being done…but maybe not by the three-letter acronym agencies who at least get paid for that kind of work while they reap the benefit of intel and boots on the ground by others.

If anyone can forgive my biting words of cynicism.  At this rate I’m becoming less and less a fan of the national security state that seems to be operated more for the benefit of white collar criminals than the taxpayers of this nation…maybe its time to dismantle it, since the work isn’t actually getting done by system inhabitants?  If the system inhabitants were employees of a legit business, the business would have been bankrupted and shut down or the ineffectual employees at the very least sent to unemployment lines.  Secrecy in a Constitutional Republic has a very very small footprint…ours on the other hand makes Jabba De Hut look like a blimp and way overdue for eradication.

Yes Ladies and Gentlemen I am in favor of doing away with the national security state based on the review of the landscape over the last seven years.  It has become the cannibal beneath Grandma’s skirt and makes ET look like an Easter Parade.

Cy

From Email 11/11/2015 Jack Sarfatti to List

No Dan because you have no message that is worth anything.

You are finished.
End of the line.
“Your future is all used up.”
On Nov 11, 2015, at 9:20 AM, Dan Smith  wrote:

 

BtW, if any of you care to take up the chase, you’re more than welcome to take it up with me and your personally select audience and/or on OMF



On Wednesday, November 11, 2015, Dan Smith wrote:

(cont……….2)

Ron was right when I tried talking about the SeptSurp, he said…… Hold on, Dan, we have to get through December, first.
What’s December all about?  It’s all about the Cruise-to-Nowhere, and back, except for the poor devil who has to go back in the jump-jet!
Everything I say about December and September, from now on, is to be taken strictly on spec.
I will not be shoving it in anyone’s face.  I’ll just be blogging the lead-up, and giving you a head’s up, from time to time…….

cc: OMF



On Tuesday, November 10, 2015, Dan Smith wrote:

(cont…….)

Ron has put much emphasis on this cruise as a preparation for a disclosure that must come prior to the September surprise, a surprise, which is liable to lead to downward spiral of events on the world stage.
I am taking the Footmann at his word.  Aliyah, though, does not seem to have gotten this ‘memo’.  When I brought this topic up to her, this morning, she very politely asked my suggestions of participants, for her due consideration.  That’s not quite how I envision this end of the world cruise being handled.

Neither she nor the Footmann claim to have any insight into the BPWH.  The Footmann claims to have taught philosophy for several years at the agency.  She is a student of Rumi.

None of this, above, sounds promissing.  There are not many days left to turn the boat around.  There are not many weeks, after that, to turn the world around.
Either this ship is headed nowhere, or I’m missing a lot.  This preliminary data on this nautical microcosmic adventure does not bode well for the macrocosm.



On Tuesday, November 10, 2015, Dan Smith  wrote:

Metaphysics is often described as news from nowhere.  Well, that’s exactly where this cruise will be headed………
This cruise will serve as a microcosm for the disclosure that will pre-empt the September surprise.  This would be a moderate sized commercial ship, of which the participants in this seminar will constitute a small minority.  All participants would be encouraged to bring a significant partner, whether or not said partner is metaphysically inclined.

Yes, this cruise would be all about me and the BPWH/SWH/CTC (4M/K/SoT/X2).  This is the presupposition for my involvement, at least.

A condition for participation, and especially for receiving any stipends, would be involvement in and/or close observation of the ‘proselytizing’ of the other passengers wrt to the disclosure that is expected to pre-empt the September surprise.

 I can’t imagine why anyone would wish to join such a cruise…….
(cont………)